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		<title>By: Blatantly Berry Bumbling &#171; Agnostic, Maybe</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/ala-also-rhymes-with-astray/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blatantly Berry Bumbling &#171; Agnostic, Maybe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] come to exist. While the Annoyed Librarian certainly makes fine points that I can agree with (like here), the amount of vitriol displayed at times towards other professionals is pure emotional spectacle. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come to exist. While the Annoyed Librarian certainly makes fine points that I can agree with (like here), the amount of vitriol displayed at times towards other professionals is pure emotional spectacle. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for expressing many of the things I&#039;ve always felt in regards to the organization.  When I joined for the first time a few years ago and received an issue of American Libraries, I actually turned back to the cover to see if I was reading the right one. I encountered articles about the death penalty, political prisoners, and other issues that were all non-library related.  I joined ALA because I was a beginning librarian wanting to learn all I could about my new profession.  

I can&#039;t afford the time and money it takes to attend the big conferences (although a free pass let me wing through the exhibits for a day in Chicago, which was great).  I get a lot more value from my state organization, although I did rejoin ALA last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for expressing many of the things I&#8217;ve always felt in regards to the organization.  When I joined for the first time a few years ago and received an issue of American Libraries, I actually turned back to the cover to see if I was reading the right one. I encountered articles about the death penalty, political prisoners, and other issues that were all non-library related.  I joined ALA because I was a beginning librarian wanting to learn all I could about my new profession.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford the time and money it takes to attend the big conferences (although a free pass let me wing through the exhibits for a day in Chicago, which was great).  I get a lot more value from my state organization, although I did rejoin ALA last year.</p>
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		<title>By: jmartinlibrarian</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loved this post! As an individual, I share my opinion and join political organizations and &quot;amplify&quot; my voice. Librarians need not surrender personal agendas, but I think library associations should be apolitcal. It&#039;s wrong for me to unfairly use the advantages of my professional public sector profession to advance my goals. ALA, and libraries, are for a sprectrum of ideologies and political views. We champion liberty of thought, at least...I thought. Let me lobby for my political causes on my own time, and on my own dime, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved this post! As an individual, I share my opinion and join political organizations and &#8220;amplify&#8221; my voice. Librarians need not surrender personal agendas, but I think library associations should be apolitcal. It&#8217;s wrong for me to unfairly use the advantages of my professional public sector profession to advance my goals. ALA, and libraries, are for a sprectrum of ideologies and political views. We champion liberty of thought, at least&#8230;I thought. Let me lobby for my political causes on my own time, and on my own dime, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then we are at an impasse. I&#039;m not interested in joining an organization that engages in active political campaigning in non-library issues; and the organization, ruled by the politically active voting minority, does not want to limit itself to addressing library issues. 

I do take your &#039;change from within&#039; points into consideration; perhaps when I can afford to do so, I might.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we are at an impasse. I&#8217;m not interested in joining an organization that engages in active political campaigning in non-library issues; and the organization, ruled by the politically active voting minority, does not want to limit itself to addressing library issues. </p>
<p>I do take your &#8216;change from within&#8217; points into consideration; perhaps when I can afford to do so, I might.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m certainly not saying that, as I think you know.

What I&#039;m saying is that ALA is a large complex organization.  Its resolutions are the resolutions of ALA Council.  If people are already members of ALA or have some reason they wish to join, then it makes more sense, to me, to work within the process to effect change.  If you (or any other librarian or library supporter) has no reason to join ALA, then you don&#039;t have a reason to join.  

ALA is, and probably will be for a long time, the largest association of librarians in the United States.  This gives the organization a voice.   I personally find it more rewarding to be a part of the organization then to object to it from outside.  But both roles have their benefits to ALA--it&#039;s healthy for people to be talking about ALA, whether from inside or outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly not saying that, as I think you know.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that ALA is a large complex organization.  Its resolutions are the resolutions of ALA Council.  If people are already members of ALA or have some reason they wish to join, then it makes more sense, to me, to work within the process to effect change.  If you (or any other librarian or library supporter) has no reason to join ALA, then you don&#8217;t have a reason to join.  </p>
<p>ALA is, and probably will be for a long time, the largest association of librarians in the United States.  This gives the organization a voice.   I personally find it more rewarding to be a part of the organization then to object to it from outside.  But both roles have their benefits to ALA&#8211;it&#8217;s healthy for people to be talking about ALA, whether from inside or outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are correct: the organization is ruled by the people who show up. (And such is true in a many things in life.) The counterpoint to this is that one doesn&#039;t have to join or continue to belong to an organization to make the case for the politicization of the ALA (a la the concept of &#039;voting with your feet&#039; by showing your unhappiness with an organization by leaving it.) People are welcome to show their disdain by taking their ball and going to another playground. I&#039;m sure that issue would come up under investigations of questions such as &quot;Why are people leaving the organization?&quot; and &quot;Why are we having trouble retaining members?&quot; 

(Although the 2006 annual report spoke of record membership, so I&#039;m not sure what sort of dramatic drop lead people to proclaim that the organization is having membership troubles. Unless you look at the makeup of the membership which (if I recall correctly) is close to 50% baby boomer (aka the generation currently retiring). 

But, I take your post as to read &quot;Join ALA, start a platform of shooting down political resolutions, get elected, and then do it&quot;. Which, while appealing, seems silly since there is only so long I could stand in place and tap on the giant graphic which states the purpose, mission, and key action areas of the ALA. Why would I have to join an organization to &lt;strong&gt;remind them&lt;/strong&gt; what they should be doing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct: the organization is ruled by the people who show up. (And such is true in a many things in life.) The counterpoint to this is that one doesn&#8217;t have to join or continue to belong to an organization to make the case for the politicization of the ALA (a la the concept of &#8216;voting with your feet&#8217; by showing your unhappiness with an organization by leaving it.) People are welcome to show their disdain by taking their ball and going to another playground. I&#8217;m sure that issue would come up under investigations of questions such as &#8220;Why are people leaving the organization?&#8221; and &#8220;Why are we having trouble retaining members?&#8221; </p>
<p>(Although the 2006 annual report spoke of record membership, so I&#8217;m not sure what sort of dramatic drop lead people to proclaim that the organization is having membership troubles. Unless you look at the makeup of the membership which (if I recall correctly) is close to 50% baby boomer (aka the generation currently retiring). </p>
<p>But, I take your post as to read &#8220;Join ALA, start a platform of shooting down political resolutions, get elected, and then do it&#8221;. Which, while appealing, seems silly since there is only so long I could stand in place and tap on the giant graphic which states the purpose, mission, and key action areas of the ALA. Why would I have to join an organization to <strong>remind them</strong> what they should be doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And who, exactly, make these wild pronouncements: the duly elected representatives of the Association.

It really isn&#039;t particularly difficult to get involved with ALA and make a real difference.  

ALA is not controlled by staff, but by its own members.  Councilors seldom hear from members; it&#039;s easy enough to email them and let them know what you think.

I&#039;ve been a member of ALA for 28 years (and I&#039;m only 48 years old).  I&#039;ve been hearing that ALA takes too many political stands for that whole time.  And some people do what they can to change that.  That&#039;s what I&#039;d encourage anyone interested in ALA to do. 

Don&#039;t drop your membership and then be surprised that the Association doesn&#039;t represent you.  How could it?  You&#039;re not there.

Those who wanted ALA to be *more* political spent a lot of energy to find out how ALA works and how to work together to get people elected to Council.  Anyone can do that.  (It&#039;s just this simple, find a good candidate or small slate and encourage everyone you know to vote for ONLY that candidate or the small slate--don&#039;t use all the votes you have).

I did enjoy the post, by the way!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who, exactly, make these wild pronouncements: the duly elected representatives of the Association.</p>
<p>It really isn&#8217;t particularly difficult to get involved with ALA and make a real difference.  </p>
<p>ALA is not controlled by staff, but by its own members.  Councilors seldom hear from members; it&#8217;s easy enough to email them and let them know what you think.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a member of ALA for 28 years (and I&#8217;m only 48 years old).  I&#8217;ve been hearing that ALA takes too many political stands for that whole time.  And some people do what they can to change that.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;d encourage anyone interested in ALA to do. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t drop your membership and then be surprised that the Association doesn&#8217;t represent you.  How could it?  You&#8217;re not there.</p>
<p>Those who wanted ALA to be *more* political spent a lot of energy to find out how ALA works and how to work together to get people elected to Council.  Anyone can do that.  (It&#8217;s just this simple, find a good candidate or small slate and encourage everyone you know to vote for ONLY that candidate or the small slate&#8211;don&#8217;t use all the votes you have).</p>
<p>I did enjoy the post, by the way!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it muddles the vision of the organization overall, which may be why there are people (like myself) who look at it and go, &quot;What exactly does the ALA stand for?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it muddles the vision of the organization overall, which may be why there are people (like myself) who look at it and go, &#8220;What exactly does the ALA stand for?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/ala-also-rhymes-with-astray/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to convince me, you have to come up with a better case for why it is appropriate for the ALA to take stances on serious non-library issues. &quot;Libraries are sites of literacy, of learning, of lore&quot; is not sufficient rationale. Under the logic presented, I could say that gym is a site of exercise, physical fitness, and athleticism. That doesn&#039;t mean that the YMCA should be issuing press releases about abortion or sexual slavery.

People who read, who seek out stories will have strong thoughts about stories they read, it makes sense to ME that they seek out a better suited organization that is specifically dedicated to that issue. 

&quot;Don’t you think it is possible to voice opinion and still be objective in relation to acquisitions?&quot;

Yes. And I said as much. 

&quot;While I sincerely hope that no one in an acquisitions position would be swayed to exclude materials due to a resolution, [...]&quot;

I&#039;m not denying anyone an opinion; I am concerned as to how they are expressing their non-library issues through a library organization. This notion that everything can be related back to the library is faulty and dangerous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to convince me, you have to come up with a better case for why it is appropriate for the ALA to take stances on serious non-library issues. &#8220;Libraries are sites of literacy, of learning, of lore&#8221; is not sufficient rationale. Under the logic presented, I could say that gym is a site of exercise, physical fitness, and athleticism. That doesn&#8217;t mean that the YMCA should be issuing press releases about abortion or sexual slavery.</p>
<p>People who read, who seek out stories will have strong thoughts about stories they read, it makes sense to ME that they seek out a better suited organization that is specifically dedicated to that issue. </p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t you think it is possible to voice opinion and still be objective in relation to acquisitions?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. And I said as much. </p>
<p>&#8220;While I sincerely hope that no one in an acquisitions position would be swayed to exclude materials due to a resolution, [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying anyone an opinion; I am concerned as to how they are expressing their non-library issues through a library organization. This notion that everything can be related back to the library is faulty and dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. As a public librarian, it is common for people to ask me my opinion about public issues. It&#039;s a venerable land mine field of topics that get brought up so I have to do my best tip-toeing. On rare occasion, I have been pressed to offer an opinion, and the simplest way out of that conversation is to give it. =D

As an aside, I find that reading blogs that hold positions or ideaologies that I don&#039;t agree with (whether political or librarian) really helps me avoid sliding into a one sided reasoning and rationales. Even though reading through these blogs can put my teeth on edge, it gives me perspective as to what the other approach is thinking. This allows me to improve my defenses of my stances, sometimes even leading me to revise them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. As a public librarian, it is common for people to ask me my opinion about public issues. It&#8217;s a venerable land mine field of topics that get brought up so I have to do my best tip-toeing. On rare occasion, I have been pressed to offer an opinion, and the simplest way out of that conversation is to give it. =D</p>
<p>As an aside, I find that reading blogs that hold positions or ideaologies that I don&#8217;t agree with (whether political or librarian) really helps me avoid sliding into a one sided reasoning and rationales. Even though reading through these blogs can put my teeth on edge, it gives me perspective as to what the other approach is thinking. This allows me to improve my defenses of my stances, sometimes even leading me to revise them.</p>
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