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		<title>By: The Reports of Our Professional Deaths Have Been Greatly Exaggerated, Part 2 &#171; Agnostic, Maybe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Reports of Our Professional Deaths Have Been Greatly Exaggerated, Part 2 &#171; Agnostic, Maybe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I hope that the initiatives of the 21st Century Skills movement have the kind of impact you envision, but I think that&#039;s a pretty optimistic goal. Those indicators you quoted do sound familiar to me -- not just because they&#039;re covered in my MLIS program, but because they were also taught in my elementary, junior and high schools, 10-20 years ago. Granted, there are a lot of information sources around now that simply didn&#039;t exist when I was learning information literacy, and I suspect that the new AASL standards reflect the new developments, but I&#039;m not sure how much of those standards are really &quot;new&quot; best practices. 

I learned a lot about information literacy in elementary school and high school, because it interested me and because I paid attention. Many of my peers absorbed very little, and integrated very little of it into their adult lives. Maybe the new standards will change that for this generation, and I hope they will since it would be to society&#039;s great benefit. Sadly, none of it will make a difference at all if our legislators keep putting school librarians out of a job, like they are in my county and nationwide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I hope that the initiatives of the 21st Century Skills movement have the kind of impact you envision, but I think that&#8217;s a pretty optimistic goal. Those indicators you quoted do sound familiar to me &#8212; not just because they&#8217;re covered in my MLIS program, but because they were also taught in my elementary, junior and high schools, 10-20 years ago. Granted, there are a lot of information sources around now that simply didn&#8217;t exist when I was learning information literacy, and I suspect that the new AASL standards reflect the new developments, but I&#8217;m not sure how much of those standards are really &#8220;new&#8221; best practices. </p>
<p>I learned a lot about information literacy in elementary school and high school, because it interested me and because I paid attention. Many of my peers absorbed very little, and integrated very little of it into their adult lives. Maybe the new standards will change that for this generation, and I hope they will since it would be to society&#8217;s great benefit. Sadly, none of it will make a difference at all if our legislators keep putting school librarians out of a job, like they are in my county and nationwide.</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andromeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(There are, of course, lots of librarians out there with totally kick-ass technical skills.  But there are also lots of times in library school when I&#039;ve heard a classmate, or professor, say the equivalent of, &quot;People need sherpas because it is impossible to make pitons&quot; and I&#039;m looking at the mountain thinking, um, guys, it&#039;s covered in pitons?  Which leaves me balanced on the knife edge between hope and fear -- both of which are motivational.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(There are, of course, lots of librarians out there with totally kick-ass technical skills.  But there are also lots of times in library school when I&#8217;ve heard a classmate, or professor, say the equivalent of, &#8220;People need sherpas because it is impossible to make pitons&#8221; and I&#8217;m looking at the mountain thinking, um, guys, it&#8217;s covered in pitons?  Which leaves me balanced on the knife edge between hope and fear &#8212; both of which are motivational.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andromeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Per my earlier comment -- I rethought the sherpa metaphor and you&#039;re right; I don&#039;t think it does extend to programming in general.  If we&#039;re to keep within the mountain-climbing frame, I think what programming is doing is blazing trails and leaving piles of random tools all over the mountain.  What this does is cause people to be able to climb mountains &lt;I&gt;on their own&lt;/I&gt; in situations where they formerly would have needed sherpas, and to think they can in others (even if it isn&#039;t true).  Either way, if the only thing libraries have to sell is sherpa-age (sherpage?) -- and if the way some of us try to flag down customers is by saying that all those tools on the mountain aren&#039;t useful and don&#039;t do what they do, in fact, do -- we&#039;re going to find ourselves lonely at the base of that mountain.

It&#039;s great being a sherpa, but a sherpa who doesn&#039;t understand the tools out there isn&#039;t credible, and increasingly I think sherpas who can&#039;t &lt;I&gt;also&lt;/I&gt; build some tools are going to find themselves without enough work to do.

(And I do agree that lots of people &lt;I&gt;need&lt;/I&gt; sherpas but if, as you say, they don&#039;t know that -- because what they see is the base of a mountain with trails and tools on it, and what they don&#039;t see is the cloudy tops of that mountain and their own climbing skills -- they&#039;re not going to go looking for sherpas, either.  Comes to the same thing either way for the sherpa.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per my earlier comment &#8212; I rethought the sherpa metaphor and you&#8217;re right; I don&#8217;t think it does extend to programming in general.  If we&#8217;re to keep within the mountain-climbing frame, I think what programming is doing is blazing trails and leaving piles of random tools all over the mountain.  What this does is cause people to be able to climb mountains <i>on their own</i> in situations where they formerly would have needed sherpas, and to think they can in others (even if it isn&#8217;t true).  Either way, if the only thing libraries have to sell is sherpa-age (sherpage?) &#8212; and if the way some of us try to flag down customers is by saying that all those tools on the mountain aren&#8217;t useful and don&#8217;t do what they do, in fact, do &#8212; we&#8217;re going to find ourselves lonely at the base of that mountain.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great being a sherpa, but a sherpa who doesn&#8217;t understand the tools out there isn&#8217;t credible, and increasingly I think sherpas who can&#8217;t <i>also</i> build some tools are going to find themselves without enough work to do.</p>
<p>(And I do agree that lots of people <i>need</i> sherpas but if, as you say, they don&#8217;t know that &#8212; because what they see is the base of a mountain with trails and tools on it, and what they don&#8217;t see is the cloudy tops of that mountain and their own climbing skills &#8212; they&#8217;re not going to go looking for sherpas, either.  Comes to the same thing either way for the sherpa.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter Bromberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Bromberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andromeda, I find much to agree with in your comment.  Yes, we have much to learn, and I would love to see a higher level of technology skills and literacy being taught in our LIS programs and treated as core competencies in our profession.


But the idea that engineers and programmers who build the programs and the systems are the sherpas?  Nuh-uh.  Maybe we have a different understanding of the meaning of sherpa.

The sherpa is the GUIDE...  We don&#039;t have to build the databases and search tools, we don&#039;t have to KNOW how to build them. We just need to be knowledgeable enough about the what data is out there, and where/how to access it.  So much data is still invisible (or nearly so), hard to find, difficult to access, and lacking in context.  Not only do many library customers not know where to look for or how to find information (beyond putting words into Google), they often don&#039;t have enough information to know what they *don&#039;t know*.  They might not even have a conception or a mental model of the types of finding tools and resources available, so it wouldn&#039;t even occur to them to look for them.

I know things have changed somewhat since 1997 when I worked at the EPA helping lawyers, scientists, students and politicians navigate the many little-known, and hard-to-use databases in search of environmental data sets, articles, government reports, rules, regulations, etc.  BUT they haven&#039;t changed *that* much.  There are still a gazillion badly-designed databases chock full of oodles of useful information that most people will never find.  Are you saying that an engineer or a programmer is better positioned than a librarian to be the sherpa, guiding our customers through these rocky and unpredictable information terrains?  

If that is what you are saying, I respectfully disagree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andromeda, I find much to agree with in your comment.  Yes, we have much to learn, and I would love to see a higher level of technology skills and literacy being taught in our LIS programs and treated as core competencies in our profession.</p>
<p>But the idea that engineers and programmers who build the programs and the systems are the sherpas?  Nuh-uh.  Maybe we have a different understanding of the meaning of sherpa.</p>
<p>The sherpa is the GUIDE&#8230;  We don&#8217;t have to build the databases and search tools, we don&#8217;t have to KNOW how to build them. We just need to be knowledgeable enough about the what data is out there, and where/how to access it.  So much data is still invisible (or nearly so), hard to find, difficult to access, and lacking in context.  Not only do many library customers not know where to look for or how to find information (beyond putting words into Google), they often don&#8217;t have enough information to know what they *don&#8217;t know*.  They might not even have a conception or a mental model of the types of finding tools and resources available, so it wouldn&#8217;t even occur to them to look for them.</p>
<p>I know things have changed somewhat since 1997 when I worked at the EPA helping lawyers, scientists, students and politicians navigate the many little-known, and hard-to-use databases in search of environmental data sets, articles, government reports, rules, regulations, etc.  BUT they haven&#8217;t changed *that* much.  There are still a gazillion badly-designed databases chock full of oodles of useful information that most people will never find.  Are you saying that an engineer or a programmer is better positioned than a librarian to be the sherpa, guiding our customers through these rocky and unpredictable information terrains?  </p>
<p>If that is what you are saying, I respectfully disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Matthews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no concern over increased information literacy.  In fact, I agree that it is a good thing for people and society to become better &quot;users&quot; of information.  But, my concern comes from how that increased and widespread information literacy impacts the librarian professional in 10 years.  

Recognizing that we have been for many years dealing with the explosion of the Internet and the &quot;well known automated tool[s]&quot; for information access, and finally realizing that the Internet did not &quot;totally&quot; replace the librarian, librarians today at least still have a slim lead in the evaluation of information sources, accuracy, validity, value, bias, etc. skills, and can therefore offer those services to the Digital Immigrant patrons, and some less well skilled Digital Natives.

That situation appears to be coming to an end, based on the initiatives of the Partnership for 21st Century Skills, American Association of School Librarians, and other sources.

These future developments should give librarians cause to pause to consider their future, and their role in that future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no concern over increased information literacy.  In fact, I agree that it is a good thing for people and society to become better &#8220;users&#8221; of information.  But, my concern comes from how that increased and widespread information literacy impacts the librarian professional in 10 years.  </p>
<p>Recognizing that we have been for many years dealing with the explosion of the Internet and the &#8220;well known automated tool[s]&#8221; for information access, and finally realizing that the Internet did not &#8220;totally&#8221; replace the librarian, librarians today at least still have a slim lead in the evaluation of information sources, accuracy, validity, value, bias, etc. skills, and can therefore offer those services to the Digital Immigrant patrons, and some less well skilled Digital Natives.</p>
<p>That situation appears to be coming to an end, based on the initiatives of the Partnership for 21st Century Skills, American Association of School Librarians, and other sources.</p>
<p>These future developments should give librarians cause to pause to consider their future, and their role in that future.</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andromeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the two roles are too big for most people to be able to master them both.  I don&#039;t necessarily agree that the role of CS is limited to storage and presentation of data; my husband, for instance, codes for a company that does automated taxonomies and decision support, and there&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;well-known automated tool&lt;/a&gt; for helping users evaluate the potential relevance and validity of information resources.

I do think, on reflection, that CS and LIS approaches cannot both be subsumed into a sherpa role.  They don&#039;t fit into the same metaphor.  LIS, sherpa, sure; CS, maybe more of a trailblazer, providing people with unmediated (or &lt;I&gt;seemingly&lt;/I&gt; unmediated) access to data.  My concern here is that even when people &lt;I&gt;need&lt;/I&gt; sherpas they&#039;ll &lt;I&gt;go&lt;/I&gt; for open trails (we&#039;re humans; we satisfice, no matter how meticulous and shiny the sherpa).

But more so, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to be an effective, or credible, data sherpa without a sound understanding of the data landscape, and I don&#039;t see that understanding being taught in my program -- in fact sometimes I see the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the two roles are too big for most people to be able to master them both.  I don&#8217;t necessarily agree that the role of CS is limited to storage and presentation of data; my husband, for instance, codes for a company that does automated taxonomies and decision support, and there&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">well-known automated tool</a> for helping users evaluate the potential relevance and validity of information resources.</p>
<p>I do think, on reflection, that CS and LIS approaches cannot both be subsumed into a sherpa role.  They don&#8217;t fit into the same metaphor.  LIS, sherpa, sure; CS, maybe more of a trailblazer, providing people with unmediated (or <i>seemingly</i> unmediated) access to data.  My concern here is that even when people <i>need</i> sherpas they&#8217;ll <i>go</i> for open trails (we&#8217;re humans; we satisfice, no matter how meticulous and shiny the sherpa).</p>
<p>But more so, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to be an effective, or credible, data sherpa without a sound understanding of the data landscape, and I don&#8217;t see that understanding being taught in my program &#8212; in fact sometimes I see the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andromeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not clear why it would ever make sense to be &lt;I&gt;concerned&lt;/I&gt; about increasing information literacy...&lt;I&gt;overjoyed&lt;/I&gt;, perhaps.

That said...there is many a slip &#039;twixt a curriculum standard and widespread proficiency.  And didn&#039;t I just see some report on how widespread technology &lt;I&gt;use&lt;/I&gt; among digital natives doesn&#039;t actually imply any sort of widespread conceptual &lt;I&gt;understanding&lt;/I&gt;?  Rather in the way that people of my generation can, legendarily, program the VCRs our parents could not, but that doesn&#039;t mean most of us can build or explain them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not clear why it would ever make sense to be <i>concerned</i> about increasing information literacy&#8230;<i>overjoyed</i>, perhaps.</p>
<p>That said&#8230;there is many a slip &#8216;twixt a curriculum standard and widespread proficiency.  And didn&#8217;t I just see some report on how widespread technology <i>use</i> among digital natives doesn&#8217;t actually imply any sort of widespread conceptual <i>understanding</i>?  Rather in the way that people of my generation can, legendarily, program the VCRs our parents could not, but that doesn&#8217;t mean most of us can build or explain them.</p>
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		<title>By: librarianry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[librarianry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I see what you&#039;re saying, Andromeda, but I&#039;m not sure I can agree.  I see the computer scientists and programmers as people that will maintain and develop the structure that holds and presents all of this data, but I believe that their role stops there.  It is the librarian&#039;s job to manipulate and navigate through the data in order to allow themselves and others to start with a question, and somehow come up with the answer at the other end.  If anything, maybe librarians are the travel/mountain guide that helps others venture forth through the information gauntlet and come out on the other side successful and unscathed.  

I also do not see the two roles combining into one super role.  To me, it seems that it would be too much to take on, and with the technology changing at such a rapid rate people would not be able to both build the structure and help others with such consistency.  I do believe librarians have a role and that the role is relevant to others.  Admittedly, this is wishful thinking, but I&#039;m standing by it, darn it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I see what you&#8217;re saying, Andromeda, but I&#8217;m not sure I can agree.  I see the computer scientists and programmers as people that will maintain and develop the structure that holds and presents all of this data, but I believe that their role stops there.  It is the librarian&#8217;s job to manipulate and navigate through the data in order to allow themselves and others to start with a question, and somehow come up with the answer at the other end.  If anything, maybe librarians are the travel/mountain guide that helps others venture forth through the information gauntlet and come out on the other side successful and unscathed.  </p>
<p>I also do not see the two roles combining into one super role.  To me, it seems that it would be too much to take on, and with the technology changing at such a rapid rate people would not be able to both build the structure and help others with such consistency.  I do believe librarians have a role and that the role is relevant to others.  Admittedly, this is wishful thinking, but I&#8217;m standing by it, darn it!</p>
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