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		<title>By: P.C. Sweeney</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/gorman-gaming-gaffe/#comment-4878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.C. Sweeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sooo late to this conversation.  Oh well...  I was just wondering what Gorman does at his library that makes all those kids pick up Dostoyevsky? I&#039;d love to hear from him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooo late to this conversation.  Oh well&#8230;  I was just wondering what Gorman does at his library that makes all those kids pick up Dostoyevsky? I&#8217;d love to hear from him.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/gorman-gaming-gaffe/#comment-2368</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. So, should we not collect e-games because they are toys? Because in not collecting e-games, does that mean libraries shouldn&#039;t have games at all? Nevermind checkers and chess, but other toys like building blocks or lending bicycles? How about libraries that *do* lend out soccer balls and other sports equipment?

I&#039;m just curious where the &#039;collecting of game&#039; line is crossed. Nevermind there is no substantiation for your &quot;stop collecting games or we will lose money&quot; line. 

2. That&#039;s an old canard. And since I did not engage in that, you can take it up with the posters who did. 
I welcome questioning of technologies as I engage in the same thing myself; nothing should simply get a pass when it comes to inclusion (although it does at times). 

The Emperor has clothing on here. It reads: &quot;Come to the library.&quot; What is new here is that we have to market our materials and services as just another voice in this new information world. Gaming is just another form of marketing and/or outreach to building future relationships.

If you haven&#039;t read the followup post to this, I suggest doing so as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. So, should we not collect e-games because they are toys? Because in not collecting e-games, does that mean libraries shouldn&#8217;t have games at all? Nevermind checkers and chess, but other toys like building blocks or lending bicycles? How about libraries that *do* lend out soccer balls and other sports equipment?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just curious where the &#8216;collecting of game&#8217; line is crossed. Nevermind there is no substantiation for your &#8220;stop collecting games or we will lose money&#8221; line. </p>
<p>2. That&#8217;s an old canard. And since I did not engage in that, you can take it up with the posters who did.<br />
I welcome questioning of technologies as I engage in the same thing myself; nothing should simply get a pass when it comes to inclusion (although it does at times). </p>
<p>The Emperor has clothing on here. It reads: &#8220;Come to the library.&#8221; What is new here is that we have to market our materials and services as just another voice in this new information world. Gaming is just another form of marketing and/or outreach to building future relationships.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t read the followup post to this, I suggest doing so as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly. It&#039;s relevant. The whole Google thing gets dragged out and yet, there are still reference desks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. It&#8217;s relevant. The whole Google thing gets dragged out and yet, there are still reference desks.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Burkhardt</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/gorman-gaming-gaffe/#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Burkhardt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are right that folks should able to freely question the value of new technologies without getting labeled as a luddite or &quot;anti-technology.&quot; I also think it&#039;s good to question the value of different services in the library. 

I also think that gaming, electronic or otherwise, can be a part of libraries depending on the community and what they value. I work at a college where we have an e-game design major, so even though we don&#039;t currently have it, I could see gaming being very much a part of our library.

But I don&#039;t necessarily think that the emperor has no clothes on, maybe there is only a g-string bikini on, or maybe it&#039;s a really terrible outfit choice, or maybe one thing could be changed and the clothes would be great. Questioning them is always good though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right that folks should able to freely question the value of new technologies without getting labeled as a luddite or &#8220;anti-technology.&#8221; I also think it&#8217;s good to question the value of different services in the library. </p>
<p>I also think that gaming, electronic or otherwise, can be a part of libraries depending on the community and what they value. I work at a college where we have an e-game design major, so even though we don&#8217;t currently have it, I could see gaming being very much a part of our library.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t necessarily think that the emperor has no clothes on, maybe there is only a g-string bikini on, or maybe it&#8217;s a really terrible outfit choice, or maybe one thing could be changed and the clothes would be great. Questioning them is always good though.</p>
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		<title>By: Emperor's New Clothes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emperor's New Clothes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did not get my points? Andromeda did!  OK here are: 

1. E games are simply toys in new format.  No bigger deal than old games or basketball.  Do E games help make players smarter?  Yes, but so do chess and soccer.

2. Many of us in our profession have the mentality that if someone questions the value of new toys, we accuse them of being against technology.  That is very much similar to the 2003 pre-war mentality that if someone questions the war, people would accuse them of being unpatriotic.  And we know now the questioners are as patriotic, if not more, and the war did not go well, partly because we were made to praise emporer&#039;s new clothes.  

We in our profession desparately need someone who can say: &quot;The Emporer has nothing on.&quot; Sorry for quotation again :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not get my points? Andromeda did!  OK here are: </p>
<p>1. E games are simply toys in new format.  No bigger deal than old games or basketball.  Do E games help make players smarter?  Yes, but so do chess and soccer.</p>
<p>2. Many of us in our profession have the mentality that if someone questions the value of new toys, we accuse them of being against technology.  That is very much similar to the 2003 pre-war mentality that if someone questions the war, people would accuse them of being unpatriotic.  And we know now the questioners are as patriotic, if not more, and the war did not go well, partly because we were made to praise emporer&#8217;s new clothes.  </p>
<p>We in our profession desparately need someone who can say: &#8220;The Emporer has nothing on.&#8221; Sorry for quotation again <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andromeda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, I think the emperor&#039;s wardrobe here has a point.  My 3-year-old plays some video games and knows some of how my computer works, and to her it&#039;s definitely more like what we&#039;d call a toy than what we&#039;d call technology.  I mean, it&#039;s a toy that happens to say &quot;MacBook&quot;, but it&#039;s really just a different way of interacting with concepts she could also have interacted with in toy or book form.  (TextEdit is like her magnetic alphabet, with an unlimited supply of letters.  Google Street View is a highly customizable geography picture book.  Et cetera.)

Sometimes it&#039;s useful to think of new technology in the ways it&#039;s new and different.  But sometimes it&#039;s more useful, or accurate, to think of it in the ways it&#039;s the same as existing technologies.  And, in light of the funding questions, it truly might be more helpful to draw those parallels with familiar library stuff and services.  (Lots of libraries have toys in their children&#039;s rooms, yes?  One of the ones near me will let you check them out for use in the library.  Good times.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I think the emperor&#8217;s wardrobe here has a point.  My 3-year-old plays some video games and knows some of how my computer works, and to her it&#8217;s definitely more like what we&#8217;d call a toy than what we&#8217;d call technology.  I mean, it&#8217;s a toy that happens to say &#8220;MacBook&#8221;, but it&#8217;s really just a different way of interacting with concepts she could also have interacted with in toy or book form.  (TextEdit is like her magnetic alphabet, with an unlimited supply of letters.  Google Street View is a highly customizable geography picture book.  Et cetera.)</p>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s useful to think of new technology in the ways it&#8217;s new and different.  But sometimes it&#8217;s more useful, or accurate, to think of it in the ways it&#8217;s the same as existing technologies.  And, in light of the funding questions, it truly might be more helpful to draw those parallels with familiar library stuff and services.  (Lots of libraries have toys in their children&#8217;s rooms, yes?  One of the ones near me will let you check them out for use in the library.  Good times.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/gorman-gaming-gaffe/#comment-2348</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is some unnecessary quotation marks going on &quot;there&quot;. You also might want to offer a better argument; you know, one that has &quot;points&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is some unnecessary quotation marks going on &#8220;there&#8221;. You also might want to offer a better argument; you know, one that has &#8220;points&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Emperor's New Clothes</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/gorman-gaming-gaffe/#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emperor's New Clothes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Games, like DVD movies, are not necessarily &quot;technology.&quot;  Anything a typical 7 years old can play with should be &quot;toys&quot; rather than &quot;techology.&quot;

Please stop treating toys (electronic or not) as technolgy, or we will continue to lose funding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Games, like DVD movies, are not necessarily &#8220;technology.&#8221;  Anything a typical 7 years old can play with should be &#8220;toys&#8221; rather than &#8220;techology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please stop treating toys (electronic or not) as technolgy, or we will continue to lose funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabe Warner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...but isn&#039;t it the partial job of the reference desk to help people master information gathering skills, thus rendering it relevant for ever?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but isn&#8217;t it the partial job of the reference desk to help people master information gathering skills, thus rendering it relevant for ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Library Thinker Series: What is a Library? &#124; Information Tyrannosaur</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Library Thinker Series: What is a Library? &#124; Information Tyrannosaur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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