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		<title>By: Things I Did and Did Not Learn in Library School &#124; Academic Librarian</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/open-thread-thursday-library-school/#comment-5445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Things I Did and Did Not Learn in Library School &#124; Academic Librarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 00:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not learn while there. [Very quick update, after writ­ing this, I read through the com­ments at this post at Agnos­tic, Maybe, which I hadn’t clicked out of Google Reader to do before today. Teach­ing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not learn while there. [Very quick update, after writ­ing this, I read through the com­ments at this post at Agnos­tic, Maybe, which I hadn’t clicked out of Google Reader to do before today. Teach­ing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Best of Semester One &#171; Hack Library School</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Woodworth, Andy. (Feb. 10, 2011). Open Thread Thursday: Library School [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Liblady</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/open-thread-thursday-library-school/#comment-3573</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 04:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to go on a bit of a rant in on this thread.  I graduated with my MLIS this past December and have no regrets.  Librarians really have no room to complain about poor pay, lack of respect, and other negative issues if they&#039;re going to disrespect the academic programs from which they earned their degrees.  I have worked in libraries as a paraprofessional for a number of years.  When I finally got to the point of being able to pursue the professional degree, I had librarians tell me, &quot;Oh, it&#039;s an easy degree; it&#039;s just a lot of busy work.&quot; Or, &quot;Oh, it&#039;s just training for practitioners;it&#039;s vocational.&quot;  It was as if they were trying to discourage me from taking the plunge, yet they all love what they do.  
What was that all about?

Since I have held on to this goal for quite awhile, nothing or no one was going to sway me not to pursue my MLIS.  I can&#039;t think of any other degree I would want to go for; I love this field and have for years.  I have not been disappointed in my program at all.  My classes were face-to-face; the community of students and faculty was supportive, like-minded, and engaging.  I had opportunities to contribute my knowledge of the field (I&#039;ve been given numerous professional tasks throughout my career as a para), to participate in engaging, intelligent class discussions, to bring newly acquired skills to my current position, and to learn from my classmates.  In no way do I feel that my time in the program was a waste.  I achieved my goal, learned new skills and contributed knowledge, networked with many interesting faculty, staff, and students, formed great friendships, completed numerous projects/assignments that required critical thinking, practical knowledge, good research and writing skills, etc.  

If there is a feeling that library school is not &quot;up to par&quot;, then maybe it isn&#039;t for you.  Perhaps pursuing a different degree (undergrad, grad, certificate, vocational) makes more sense.  I would really be happy to hear more positive comments and experiences from library school students and grads.  Let&#039;s boost morale, elevate our profession, and move forward to keep our libraries relevant and essential!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to go on a bit of a rant in on this thread.  I graduated with my MLIS this past December and have no regrets.  Librarians really have no room to complain about poor pay, lack of respect, and other negative issues if they&#8217;re going to disrespect the academic programs from which they earned their degrees.  I have worked in libraries as a paraprofessional for a number of years.  When I finally got to the point of being able to pursue the professional degree, I had librarians tell me, &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s an easy degree; it&#8217;s just a lot of busy work.&#8221; Or, &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s just training for practitioners;it&#8217;s vocational.&#8221;  It was as if they were trying to discourage me from taking the plunge, yet they all love what they do.<br />
What was that all about?</p>
<p>Since I have held on to this goal for quite awhile, nothing or no one was going to sway me not to pursue my MLIS.  I can&#8217;t think of any other degree I would want to go for; I love this field and have for years.  I have not been disappointed in my program at all.  My classes were face-to-face; the community of students and faculty was supportive, like-minded, and engaging.  I had opportunities to contribute my knowledge of the field (I&#8217;ve been given numerous professional tasks throughout my career as a para), to participate in engaging, intelligent class discussions, to bring newly acquired skills to my current position, and to learn from my classmates.  In no way do I feel that my time in the program was a waste.  I achieved my goal, learned new skills and contributed knowledge, networked with many interesting faculty, staff, and students, formed great friendships, completed numerous projects/assignments that required critical thinking, practical knowledge, good research and writing skills, etc.  </p>
<p>If there is a feeling that library school is not &#8220;up to par&#8221;, then maybe it isn&#8217;t for you.  Perhaps pursuing a different degree (undergrad, grad, certificate, vocational) makes more sense.  I would really be happy to hear more positive comments and experiences from library school students and grads.  Let&#8217;s boost morale, elevate our profession, and move forward to keep our libraries relevant and essential!</p>
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		<title>By: Library School Too Easy? &#124; catladylibrarian</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/open-thread-thursday-library-school/#comment-3461</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] School Too&#160;Easy?  Posted on February 22, 2011 by catladylibrarian   Reading this post over at Agnostic, Maybe about the library school experience prompted a reflection on my own library [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] School Too&nbsp;Easy?  Posted on February 22, 2011 by catladylibrarian   Reading this post over at Agnostic, Maybe about the library school experience prompted a reflection on my own library [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Discontent &#124; Alex in Libraryland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notes from a Discontent &#124; Alex in Libraryland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by LIS Education and Its Discontents from the Hack Library School, which was in turn inspired by a library school themed open thread at the Andy Woodworth&#8217;s blog Agnostic, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by LIS Education and Its Discontents from the Hack Library School, which was in turn inspired by a library school themed open thread at the Andy Woodworth&#8217;s blog Agnostic, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with you on that library school is pretty easy.  It came nowhere close to the academic vigor I had experienced in undergrad and in high school (I went to one of those competitive magnet schools).  

It&#039;s a bit embarrassing to be calling it a graduate program when admissions standards are pretty low and we are being taught basics that everyone should have learn in undergrad (i.e. learning the difference between qualitative and quantitative research, lessons on how to work in a group, etc.).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you on that library school is pretty easy.  It came nowhere close to the academic vigor I had experienced in undergrad and in high school (I went to one of those competitive magnet schools).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit embarrassing to be calling it a graduate program when admissions standards are pretty low and we are being taught basics that everyone should have learn in undergrad (i.e. learning the difference between qualitative and quantitative research, lessons on how to work in a group, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Marijane White</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/open-thread-thursday-library-school/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marijane White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think requiring internships is a good idea, and here&#039;s why.  Librarianship is my second career.  I attended UIUC&#039;s LEEP program while still employed full-time in my first career as a software tester -- a miserable but well-paid position that made it financially feasible for me to attend library school.  Had I been required to complete an internship for my degree, I wouldn&#039;t have graduated.  Neither time nor finances would have allowed for it, and I imagine many other second career librarians would have similar issues with required internships if they are still employed in their first careers while they are in school.

Also, at least half of my cohort were already employed in libraries in some fashion when they started the program.  For people in that situation, a required internship strikes me as a counterproductive waste of time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think requiring internships is a good idea, and here&#8217;s why.  Librarianship is my second career.  I attended UIUC&#8217;s LEEP program while still employed full-time in my first career as a software tester &#8212; a miserable but well-paid position that made it financially feasible for me to attend library school.  Had I been required to complete an internship for my degree, I wouldn&#8217;t have graduated.  Neither time nor finances would have allowed for it, and I imagine many other second career librarians would have similar issues with required internships if they are still employed in their first careers while they are in school.</p>
<p>Also, at least half of my cohort were already employed in libraries in some fashion when they started the program.  For people in that situation, a required internship strikes me as a counterproductive waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m with you, Jen, in wondering where everyone went to school. The degree I just earned was academically challenging with a definite lean toward the theoretical. As it was an online program, there was a great deal of interaction amongst classmates on the discussion board, and you could easily see that the people who were working in libraries already were getting the most out of the classes. Ideally, anyone who is studying for an MLIS should be working (even if only volunteering) on a regular basis in a library. This has multiple benefits: it enhances your understanding of your coursework, it gives you experience to bolster your resume, and it may result in a better job within that institution after graduation.

I do have a rant, though. The work for this degree was challenging largely because I was committed to getting everything out of it that I could. Many of my classmates were much less committed. Worse, some of them had the writing and research skills of a 10th grader and should never have made it into a graduate program of any kind. They did not take up the challenge that was offered, their participation was sub-par, their classmates carried them through group projects, and they all ended up with the same degree I did. 

Library schools are a business. They cannot keep a staff if they do not fill their classes. They may offer a terrific curriculum, but to stay afloat they participate in the practice of grade inflation that is sadly pervasive in most colleges and high schools in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m with you, Jen, in wondering where everyone went to school. The degree I just earned was academically challenging with a definite lean toward the theoretical. As it was an online program, there was a great deal of interaction amongst classmates on the discussion board, and you could easily see that the people who were working in libraries already were getting the most out of the classes. Ideally, anyone who is studying for an MLIS should be working (even if only volunteering) on a regular basis in a library. This has multiple benefits: it enhances your understanding of your coursework, it gives you experience to bolster your resume, and it may result in a better job within that institution after graduation.</p>
<p>I do have a rant, though. The work for this degree was challenging largely because I was committed to getting everything out of it that I could. Many of my classmates were much less committed. Worse, some of them had the writing and research skills of a 10th grader and should never have made it into a graduate program of any kind. They did not take up the challenge that was offered, their participation was sub-par, their classmates carried them through group projects, and they all ended up with the same degree I did. </p>
<p>Library schools are a business. They cannot keep a staff if they do not fill their classes. They may offer a terrific curriculum, but to stay afloat they participate in the practice of grade inflation that is sadly pervasive in most colleges and high schools in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reading these posts and wondering where on earth is everyone going to school?!  I have had a most amazing experience getting my Master&#039;s in Library Science, graduating this year.  Getting my degree is definitely not easy, while the work is not so much &quot;difficult&quot; like science or math, it&#039;s certainly intense and thought provoking, while teaching theory and basics in addition to practical work.  Some classes and teachers are better than others, but isn&#039;t it like that even in undergrad?  I agree, you get what you put into it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading these posts and wondering where on earth is everyone going to school?!  I have had a most amazing experience getting my Master&#8217;s in Library Science, graduating this year.  Getting my degree is definitely not easy, while the work is not so much &#8220;difficult&#8221; like science or math, it&#8217;s certainly intense and thought provoking, while teaching theory and basics in addition to practical work.  Some classes and teachers are better than others, but isn&#8217;t it like that even in undergrad?  I agree, you get what you put into it!</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The science and skill of reference, collection development and cataloging, digital archiving can and should exist in a bachelor&#039;s program for two simple reasons. 1. as many have mentioned before me the coursework is &quot;easy&quot; and there is this general consensus that it below graduate level work. 2. the money.  how many of us have our library&#039;s infastructure supported by IT, HR and business professionals with Bachelor&#039;s in their respective fields that are likely getting paid AT LEAST 1.5 times more than we are?!  Those wishing to attain a directorship should get an MBA, a Non-profit administration degree or a Marketing degree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The science and skill of reference, collection development and cataloging, digital archiving can and should exist in a bachelor&#8217;s program for two simple reasons. 1. as many have mentioned before me the coursework is &#8220;easy&#8221; and there is this general consensus that it below graduate level work. 2. the money.  how many of us have our library&#8217;s infastructure supported by IT, HR and business professionals with Bachelor&#8217;s in their respective fields that are likely getting paid AT LEAST 1.5 times more than we are?!  Those wishing to attain a directorship should get an MBA, a Non-profit administration degree or a Marketing degree.</p>
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