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	<title>Comments on: Filtering is for Coffee Makers, Not Libraries</title>
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		<title>By: An intimate encounter with porn at the library - BIBLIOTHEKSPOLIZEI &#124; BIBLIOTHEKSPOLIZEI</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An intimate encounter with porn at the library - BIBLIOTHEKSPOLIZEI &#124; BIBLIOTHEKSPOLIZEI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a reasonable response I suggest you go here http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/ and here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a reasonable response I suggest you go here <a href="http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/" rel="nofollow">http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/</a> and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Libraries Are Not About Protecting Us From Ideas, vol. 2 &#124; drouhard.net</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libraries Are Not About Protecting Us From Ideas, vol. 2 &#124; drouhard.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sex acts, you lose romance novels and the Beat Generation. One commenter over at Andy&#8217;s blog asks if libraries carry &#8220;X-rated&#8221; content. Again, this is an uninformed and egocentric idea: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sex acts, you lose romance novels and the Beat Generation. One commenter over at Andy&#8217;s blog asks if libraries carry &#8220;X-rated&#8221; content. Again, this is an uninformed and egocentric idea: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 01:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, we actually have a mission statement, so I&#039;m pretty sure I know what it is - at least for us.  And it does not include anything about providing pornography.  Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, we actually have a mission statement, so I&#8217;m pretty sure I know what it is &#8211; at least for us.  And it does not include anything about providing pornography.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Libraries Are Not About Protecting Us From Ideas &#124; drouhard.net</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libraries Are Not About Protecting Us From Ideas &#124; drouhard.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] over at Agnostic, Maybe noticed the &#8220;Safe Library Project&#8221; website and got a few of us talking about filtering on public library computers. I&#8217;m going to reprint here a few of the comments [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at Agnostic, Maybe noticed the &#8220;Safe Library Project&#8221; website and got a few of us talking about filtering on public library computers. I&#8217;m going to reprint here a few of the comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5067</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would you say *is* the mission of the public library, Anon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would you say *is* the mission of the public library, Anon?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, that is not an accurate comparison at all.

IMO the actual corresponsinding comparison would be that the library be able to purchase all the availabe physical items published, but instead, not choose to purchase those items that lie outside of their mission, collection development, and selection policies.  Oh, wait, that&#039;s what we already do.  Because buying visually pornographic items is not within the mission of the public library.

And, please, don&#039;t compare this to anatomy.  I&#039;m talking about stuff that you can *easily* find on the internet that would surely be X-rated.  How many of those types of things do you have in your physical collections?  Go to your collections and count how many X-rated (not R) DVDs / videos you have.  How many subscriptions to adult magazines do you have?  

None? Next to none?  I thought so.

When you all have extensive collections of this in physical format (I&#039;m not sure how accurate they are, but supposedly 10% of websites {not pages} are pornographic in nature), let me know.  Until then, you are using a double standard.

And I&#039;m willing to bet, that you will *never* have extensive physical collections of these items.

Because they are *not* within the mission of a public library.

The public gets this, but too many librarians don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that is not an accurate comparison at all.</p>
<p>IMO the actual corresponsinding comparison would be that the library be able to purchase all the availabe physical items published, but instead, not choose to purchase those items that lie outside of their mission, collection development, and selection policies.  Oh, wait, that&#8217;s what we already do.  Because buying visually pornographic items is not within the mission of the public library.</p>
<p>And, please, don&#8217;t compare this to anatomy.  I&#8217;m talking about stuff that you can *easily* find on the internet that would surely be X-rated.  How many of those types of things do you have in your physical collections?  Go to your collections and count how many X-rated (not R) DVDs / videos you have.  How many subscriptions to adult magazines do you have?  </p>
<p>None? Next to none?  I thought so.</p>
<p>When you all have extensive collections of this in physical format (I&#8217;m not sure how accurate they are, but supposedly 10% of websites {not pages} are pornographic in nature), let me know.  Until then, you are using a double standard.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m willing to bet, that you will *never* have extensive physical collections of these items.</p>
<p>Because they are *not* within the mission of a public library.</p>
<p>The public gets this, but too many librarians don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: 关于图书馆与信息过滤一则 &#124; Nalsi的西文编目笔记III</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[关于图书馆与信息过滤一则 &#124; Nalsi的西文编目笔记III]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Maybe: Filtering is for Coffee Makers, Not Libraries [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maybe: Filtering is for Coffee Makers, Not Libraries [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://agnosticmaybe.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/filtering-is-for-coffee-makers-not-libraries/#comment-5060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with what Tim wrote. There is a difference between &quot;unwanted&quot; and &quot;wanted but cannot be purchased or accommodated&quot;. The idea that a collection is filtered because a library can&#039;t buy everything is a stretch. If you want to argue that selection is the same as filtering, I think you&#039;ve got a mountain to climb on that one. Good luck on the ascent!

As to &#039;scanning the collection for visual pornography&#039;, are you using what I consider to be pornographic as the standard? The Miller test as the standard? I can&#039;t even carry out what you ask since pornography is subjective; I think some of our romance novels would be considered pornographic by some observers. I presume you narrowed it to visual because of the internet, but people do write pornography as well online. There are erotic websites full of fantasies; should that be included as well?

If collection selection for physical objects is like drinking from a fire hose, then collection selection for the internet would be like drinking from a tsunami. It doesn&#039;t scale up to the vast sprawl of the internet. To say that libraries could effectively carry out such a scheme is delusional and disservice to their community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Tim wrote. There is a difference between &#8220;unwanted&#8221; and &#8220;wanted but cannot be purchased or accommodated&#8221;. The idea that a collection is filtered because a library can&#8217;t buy everything is a stretch. If you want to argue that selection is the same as filtering, I think you&#8217;ve got a mountain to climb on that one. Good luck on the ascent!</p>
<p>As to &#8216;scanning the collection for visual pornography&#8217;, are you using what I consider to be pornographic as the standard? The Miller test as the standard? I can&#8217;t even carry out what you ask since pornography is subjective; I think some of our romance novels would be considered pornographic by some observers. I presume you narrowed it to visual because of the internet, but people do write pornography as well online. There are erotic websites full of fantasies; should that be included as well?</p>
<p>If collection selection for physical objects is like drinking from a fire hose, then collection selection for the internet would be like drinking from a tsunami. It doesn&#8217;t scale up to the vast sprawl of the internet. To say that libraries could effectively carry out such a scheme is delusional and disservice to their community.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! How delightfully cynical. Thanks for the comment, Rob.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! How delightfully cynical. Thanks for the comment, Rob.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting statistics. Can you show how they relate to the library though? I guess that would be the tricky one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting statistics. Can you show how they relate to the library though? I guess that would be the tricky one.</p>
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